i think it might be more accurate to say something to the effect of "God loves you because he made you in his image and chooses to love you in spite of your fallenness, but he hates the sin in you and demands that you bring glory to him by being made holy- accomplished through the blood of his Son, but brought to fullness by you being transformed into his image (only to be completed when you arrive in heaven)." uber-long and it would never fly as a cute little christianism, but usually cute little christianisms condense too much and leave room for misunderstanding and shallow, cheap theology.
I fully agree that He loves us as we are, evidenced by Jesus who sought out the people whom the scribes and pharisees rejected and loved them. But at the same time, He taught them and helped them to move out of their debilitating situations.
It also says that God loves us and corrects us. I suspect He wants the best for us, and will not leave us in sin which will ultimately destroy our joy.
Now, of course, I have a hard time dealing with this, I can give you the policy line, but there are a lot of reservations, because I see way too much hurt in the world to fully trust this.
Heather
I believe that the statement, "He loves us as we are" is the misleading point, word-wise.
He loves us unconditionally, but again, He despises sin. So He gives us his grace to follow in his image and be what He wants us to be.
I can't say that I have read that. I bet eventually I'll read it, it seems like I've read about everything in our public library .
My own beliefe is that, assuming there is a God, he would love everybody they way that they are...EVERYBODY. But i also think that God would want us to better ourselves on our own terms. Either way, He still loves us.
From my understanding, change is a result of the fruit. Innocence ends at a declared age for a reason. If such is true, Adam and Eve had the mental capacity of what, a ten year old?
But off topic... I'm not sayng change is a sin, but it's a result of, and back onto subject, our belief in him is proving that in our hearts, we are not swayed, thus proving our innocence and "worthiness" of heaven. But whatever, this is just a stoner's opinion on religion (which is ultimately strange because I'm agnostic). Further more,He loves us despite of the change because of the possibility to come to him. To me, take no offense anyone, sounds a bit over bearing. And I still have yet to see a response to my questions about the concept of other dieties...
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i think it might be more accurate to say something to the effect of "God loves you because he made you in his image and chooses to love you in spite of your fallenness, but he hates the sin in you and demands that you bring glory to him by being made holy- accomplished through the blood of his Son, but brought to fullness by you being transformed into his image (only to be completed when you arrive in heaven)." uber-long and it would never fly as a cute little christianism, but usually cute little christianisms condense too much and leave room for misunderstanding and shallow, cheap theology.
I fully agree that He loves us as we are, evidenced by Jesus who sought out the people whom the scribes and pharisees rejected and loved them. But at the same time, He taught them and helped them to move out of their debilitating situations.
It also says that God loves us and corrects us. I suspect He wants the best for us, and will not leave us in sin which will ultimately destroy our joy.
Now, of course, I have a hard time dealing with this, I can give you the policy line, but there are a lot of reservations, because I see way too much hurt in the world to fully trust this.
Heather
I believe that the statement, "He loves us as we are" is the misleading point, word-wise.
He loves us unconditionally, but again, He despises sin. So He gives us his grace to follow in his image and be what He wants us to be.
I can't say that I have read that. I bet eventually I'll read it, it seems like I've read about everything in our public library
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My own beliefe is that, assuming there is a God, he would love everybody they way that they are...EVERYBODY. But i also think that God would want us to better ourselves on our own terms. Either way, He still loves us.
From my understanding, change is a result of the fruit. Innocence ends at a declared age for a reason. If such is true, Adam and Eve had the mental capacity of what, a ten year old?
But off topic... I'm not sayng change is a sin, but it's a result of, and back onto subject, our belief in him is proving that in our hearts, we are not swayed, thus proving our innocence and "worthiness" of heaven. But whatever, this is just a stoner's opinion on religion (which is ultimately strange because I'm agnostic). Further more,He loves us despite of the change because of the possibility to come to him. To me, take no offense anyone, sounds a bit over bearing. And I still have yet to see a response to my questions about the concept of other dieties...
Thanks Doug. I appreciate it.
Just wondering if you are ok.
Heather
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